Notes on Trump 61 Splodey Heads Splode

I don’t have time to write an analysis.

This official explanation from twitter speaks for itself and needs no comment.


On January 8, 2021, President Donald J. Trump tweeted:

“The 75,000,000 great American Patriots who voted for me, AMERICA FIRST, and MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, will have a GIANT VOICE long into the future. They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!”

Shortly thereafter, the President tweeted:

“To all of those who have asked, I will not be going to the Inauguration on January 20th.”

Due to the ongoing tensions in the United States, and an uptick in the global conversation in regards to the people who violently stormed the Capitol on January 6, 2021, these two Tweets must be read in the context of broader events in the country and the ways in which the President’s statements can be mobilized by different audiences, including to incite violence, as well as in the context of the pattern of behavior from this account in recent weeks. After assessing the language in these Tweets against our Glorification of Violence policy, we have determined that these Tweets are in violation of the Glorification of Violence Policy and the user @realDonaldTrump should be immediately permanently suspended from the service.


We assessed the two Tweets referenced above under our Glorification of Violence policy, which aims to prevent the glorification of violence that could inspire others to replicate violent acts and determined that they were highly likely to encourage and inspire people to replicate the criminal acts that took place at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021.

This determination is based on a number of factors, including:

President Trump’s statement that he will not be attending the Inauguration is being received by a number of his supporters as further confirmation that the election was not legitimate and is seen as him disavowing his previous claim made via two Tweets (1, 2) by his Deputy Chief of Staff, Dan Scavino, that there would be an “orderly transition” on January 20th.

The second Tweet may also serve as encouragement to those potentially considering violent acts that the Inauguration would be a “safe” target, as he will not be attending.

The use of the words “American Patriots” to describe some of his supporters is also being interpreted as support for those committing violent acts at the US Capitol.

The mention of his supporters having a “GIANT VOICE long into the future” and that “They will not be disrespected or treated unfairly in any way, shape or form!!!” is being interpreted as further indication that President Trump does not plan to facilitate an “orderly transition” and instead that he plans to continue to support, empower, and shield those who believe he won the election.

Plans for future armed protests have already begun proliferating on and off-Twitter, including a proposed secondary attack on the US Capitol and state capitol buildings on January 17, 2021.

As such, our determination is that the two Tweets above are likely to inspire others to replicate the violent acts that took place on January 6, 2021, and that there are multiple indicators that they are being received and understood as encouragement to do so.

Twitter Inc.

‎@Twitter‎ verified

Your official source for what’s happening.

If that had been written as a parody it would have been unconvincing.

But its real.

Of course Trump announced that his own platform will be rolled out shortly.

But Google took a more serious step. It won’t distribute apps for other platforms unless they meet its requirements for enforcing “better moderation”. (In Australia they would have said “safety”).

Since they have a near monopoly with semi-locked phones it could actually take a few days of email forwarding for most people who care to learn how to download and install apps from other sources such as those listed here:

The next logical step would be to suppress access to material that “glorifies violence” by preventing normal URLs from working through the normal DNS.

That could take weeks rather than days for people to learn how to configure access to alternate DNS services for the “dark web”.

It would be more significant by assisting NSA et al to keep closer tab on that smaller subset of people using the “dark web”.

Further escalation would involve actually shutting down server access at high bandwidth colocation sites.

So far they have not even been able to shutdown “Library Genesis” and “Sci-Hub” on the public DNS:

The resilience of the networks behind those sites was massively hardened during the explosion of scientific collaboration bypassing commercial publishers resulting from covid-19.

Now of course Google, NSA et al are thoroughly aware of and indeed contributors to all of that.

It would certainly be possible to shut everything down in an emergency. What’s missing is the ability to just make peoople disappear. That is far simpler, quicker and more effective. No actual fascist regime tries to impose such breathtaking levels of censorship as that being announced without being able to rely on just locking people up.

Meanwhile the main effect is just to drive people into narrower circles that can be more easily monitored – eg if they end up imagining that the Tor encrypted networks funded by the US Navy are some sort of way to avoid US government surveillance.

But the side effect is far more important.

Raising the general level of paranoia is certainly “likely to inspire others to replicate the violent acts that took place on January 6, 2021”.

Suppressing that is likely to inspire some actual “domestic terrorism”.

Is that the aim?

Possibly for some. But my guess is the corporate liberals have just lost the plot.

Some Republicans really are stupid enough to imagine they could survive the primaries in two years by prohibiting Trump from running for public office.

If just 17 GOP Senators join the Democrats in impeaching Trump in order to impose that penalty, we would be in quite an extraordinary situation. Not worth analysing unless it actually happens. I have no way to guess whether there are that many who are that desperate and stupid.

But it is certainly plausible that there will be enough Democrats to start the impeachment process. They already did “the Russia thing” and they already impeached Trump once. What harm would they see in helping to intensify the fight that Trump has already unleashed in the opposing party?

So everything possible is being done to increase the relevance, support and enthusiasm of a large mass based right wing party with both a substantial Congressional representation and a militant extra-Parliamentary wing.

Moreover the complete desertion of basic democratic principles by Trump’s opponents forces others to unite with Trumpists on the simple issue of whether we want to be told what we are allowed to think and say by corproate liberals (who Trump calls the “radical socialist, Marxist left”).

I honestly cannot guess what the people at Twitter who signed themselves “Your official source for what’s happening” think will now happen.

My guess is it will be a lot easier to get along with the Trumpists in a united front than with that lot.

See also my comments of January 4 and 9:

46 thoughts on “Notes on Trump 61 Splodey Heads Splode

  1. Amazon Web Services joining in means Big Tech has now gone pretty much as far as it can go.

    Smaller Internet Service Providers can still function as “common carrier” overlays to the same telecommunications networks the Internet relies on. Suppressing that requires changes to legislation.

    But they have now fully crossed the Rubicon as far as their intentions and aspirations are concerned. Presumably the incoming government has similar attitudes and legislation will follow.

    Costs of using small ISPs instead of the major providers are already significantly higher and possibly prohibitive as replacements for video services like Youtube that do need high bandwidth at colocation sites.

    Free speech of course only needs very low bandwidth. Adequately achieved with wax stencils in the 60s and later with simple modems and 16 bit computers over the Plain Ordinary Telephone Service long before the internet.

    Basically it isn’t possible to eliminate free speech by purely communications regulations in a population equipped with far more powerful smartphones and computers built into TV sets. That does require locking people up.

    There may be a slightly longer delay before the main opposition in the USA reorganizes its communications channels. That could assist some splintering and a greater prominence to the more extreme fringes. Perhaps that’s the aim.

    But without large scale repression this stuff simply cannot work and can only result in that large right wing party becoming stronger and better organized.

    My guess is still that they have just “lost the plot”.

    But its very a good thing that a lot of preparations were made by developers of Free and Open Source software to be able to deal with this sort of situation long ago.

    BTW compared with wax stencils and simple modems the bandwidth of a truckload of magnetic tape was cited as vastly greater. Only the delay is longer.

    Relaying texts (and even audio and video) via cheap flash drives can travel faster than leaflets ever did and with vastly more bandwidth than the world’s entire communications networks a few decades ago.


  2. Wow! Here’s Arnie Scwarzenegger declaring war on Trumpists, compared with Nazis, complete with background heart tugging violin music, a flourish of Conan the Barbarian’s well tempered steel sword and a final pledge of allegiance to President elect Biden. 22M views so far:

    So the GOP is certainly going to fight back with some vigour.

    In other news actual trial of imminent impeachment looks likely to be held up in the House after being rushed through this week – to avoid providing an excuse for the Senate not having time to confirm the Biden administration’s nomination of cabinet level officials.

    Wise move just in case SCOTUS has not been adequately intimidated. President Pelosi would need a next in line if, despite all the screaming, it turned out the election had not been lawful and there was a vacancy for both President and Vice President that resulted in Pelosi being sworn in with no way to get nomination of a replacement Vice-President through the current Senate.

    Rather an “abundance of caution” though, since even if SCOTUS was determined to act vigorously it would not do so before the Georgia Senate replacements had been certified and sworn in and there are enough Republican Senators willing to ensure a line of succession for a President Pelosi.

    Could well be unrelated. Makes good sense to delay things for many other reasons.

    But given the sheer extremism of what’s going on now I would expect those involved that actually understand what they are doing to be very nervous indeed and taking lots of precautions.


  3. I wrote some thoughts on my blog:
    1) Glenn Greenwald identifies main problem as the big tech 4 monopoly power, provides 3 telling recent examples
    2) Rudy Giuliani’s take on the Jan 6 demo is very interesting, he says the main rally was peaceful and a separate violent rally was planned by antifa. He does present some evidence for this assertion. His YouTube video has been taken down so he has republished it an antifa (I tried to post the direct link here 3 times but the moderation notice didn’t come up so if you want to watch go through my blog)


    • Greenwald’s focus on Big Tech monopoly is tactically dangerous. Too easily confused with exactly what the liberals are advocating.

      The liberal campaign is for government regulation of social media. Ultimately that will be no more effective in a modern society than regulation by Big Tech but they explicitly justify it in terms of “unregulated Big Tech”.

      Arguably Big Tech is trying to reduce the impact on them of measures they can reasonably expect the next administration to take.

      Lot of people jumping out of the woodwork to say that we can’t have Big Tech doing the “moderation” and it should instead be done according to government regulations (vastly extended version of the various “Anti-Discrimination” measures against “hate speech” redefined as “offensive” speech).

      Greenwald’s main point is about liberals actively demanding suppression of opposing views.

      He’s experienced it and the sixties movement certainly experienced it on a large scale.

      Its quite effective. Most people have no idea that the Vietnam war was started and escalated by liberals. Nor that there ever was a radical left explicitly hostile to liberals.

      Better expression of what Greenwald ought to more consistently say about Big Tech is here:

      Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) Tweeted:
      Having elected officials with power over tech companies direct those companies to censor those with different ideologies is despotic: a merger of state and corporate/monopolistic power.

      But the 9/11 framework is in play: if you dissent from any of this, you’re pro-Terrorist.

      Its not clear to me what is happening yet.

      But I don’t see suppression of opposing views working without being able to arbitrarily lock people up on a large scale and I currently don’t see that on the immediate horizon.

      As explained in my article and other comments it is dramatically easier to spread ideas now than it was when radio, TV and newspaper networks had a MUCH tighter grip than Big Tech does now. (The domination by drivel in “social media” reflects the low level of vastly larger numbers that now have access to the means of communication and are still learning how to think and debate).

      My impression is that the liberals have just become more deranged than usual.

      Trump has gone out of his way to make their heads explode for the last four years and he has been quite good at it.

      Its hard to tell whether insisting that the President of the USA just incited an armed insurrection to overthrow the democratically elected government is qualitatively different from the years they spent on him being a Kremlin stooge.

      Part of their derangement seems to be real fear. They know a large proportion of US voters don’t think Biden was legitimately elected and it would indeed be odd if that does not have serious consequences.

      Greenwald’s tweets are somewhat confusing:

      Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) Tweeted:
      That these Silicon Valley monopolies are grave menaces to political freedom & economic well-being is *not* a right-wing view.

      The most comprehensive report warning of these dangers was issued 3 months ago by a Democratic House Sub-Committee. Read this:

      Why on earth does he think a “Democratic Houses Sub-Committee” report would *not* be a right-wing view?

      I haven’t read it. But it would be more consistent with the position I hope he is moving towards if he was not adopting the usual conception of left and right in US politics. If he has read it and does agree with their proposals he could explain why without citing them as not being right-wing.

      As for Rudy Guliani, I watched the whole video:

      Two entirely separate themes that he deliberately mixes together (along with ads for scams like gold coins and monthly fees to protect household titles from being stolen).

      1. That the media unanimously chimed in to blame Trump despite the obvious fact that a riot was not in Trump’s interests or consistent with the nature of his campaign and the sort of people at his rally.

      I would go further to assume it is a safe bet that somebody decided it would be a good thing if the Capitol police got overwhelmed and were without reinforcements as it would very naturally be blamed on Trump (with or without any prior coordination of the blaming since that would be the spontaneous reaction of the media without any need to coordinate it).
      The people in charge of Capitol Police that were promptly sacked certainly deserved to be sacked. As to who else was involved in refusing DoD and FBI offers of assistance in view of the open planning for riots by far right groups on social media, that may or may not eventually become clear.

      2. That the rioters were plants from antifa. No evidence for that whatever. Ridiculous for Rudy to pretend that:

      a) There is no far right fringe of militia types keen on violence that is keen to attach itself to and recruit from the right wing milieu provided by the Trump campaign and would not be likely to try to organize a riot at such a march on the Capitol.

      b) That there would not be sufficient numbers of more typical Trump supporters militant enough in support of “Stop the Steal” to be glad to push past the police and demonstrate enthusiastically inside the Capitol building if that happened to become feasible without actually having to fight the police themselves.

      Ashli Babbit getting shot by police inside the House chamber while part of the group at the door would be an example.

      Lots of the people who were filmed wandering through the building (keeping within the red ropes) taking selfies of themselves would have just been enthusiastic Trump supporters.

      A more rational point would have been that the media blamed Trump for not denouncing them when he told everyone that marched on the Capitol to “go home in peace” and the media pretended that he was only telling them that he “loved” them rather than also telling them to go home.

      Not denouncing his supporters is typical Trump. Rudy pretending otherwise is typical Rudy.

      The fact that people breaking the windows were immediately denounced as “antifa” and restrained by some in the crowd who were opposed to that is not evidence that they were antifa plants at all. It merely reflects the fact that those Trump supporters opposing and restraining them had the same assumptions as Rudy has that it would be bad for Trump and “therefore” done by his “left” opponents rather than by his “far right” fringe.

      The media not mentioning the Trump supporters restraining violence adds nothing much to item 1.

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      • arthur
        “Its not clear to me what is happening yet.

        But I don’t see suppression of opposing views working without being able to arbitrarily lock people up on a large scale and I currently don’t see that on the immediate horizon”

        My answer to that question is that the Democrats and their allies are terrified of Trump. They have thrown Big Lie after Big Lie at him for 4 years and he remained popular despite all that. Why did he remain popular? Because Democrat policies and outlooks from Bill Clinton (tough on crime, free trade agreements, cuts to welfare) to Obama (bailing out Wall Street) gave the traditional (industrial) working class no where else to go. The general economic situation has been increased wealth to the 1% or 0.1% and increased insecurity to the 99% (the precariat). Trump was going against (probably) irreversible historical trends (free trade, build the Wall to stop immigrants, decline of industrial jobs) but his core messages appealed to those who were doing backwards. The Democrats don’t seem to have any policies to help the precariat and seem to be so out of touch that they have stopped trying to even understand them. I saw an amazing video in a Matt Taibbi article where Joe Biden was calling on coal miners who had lost their job to retrain in computer programming. To me this revealed his mindset about what is important (elite skills) and his hopelessness about what to do about that huge section of the American population who don’t have those skills. Democrat royalty – the Clintons, Obamas, Pelosi’s etc – appear to have an unshakeable grip of incompetence about what to do with half the population. They ran an incredibly weak candidate and for all we know may have had to fabricate the election to win.

        So, given that background and their acute fear that Trump will defeat them again in 2024 they are taking this opportunity (the Capitol riot gives them a chance) to further try to discredit Trump (another Big Lie that he was planning an insurrection) and a possibility (perhaps not all that realistic) of impeaching him so he can’t run then. In the short term at least for the latest Big Lie to stick much of the evidence to the contrary has to be taken down.

        Other related questions:
        Why wipe out Parler now? Now that the Democrats have full control Big Tech moves quickly to rectify their past neglect. In the past they had to keep the door half open to an ascendant Trump
        How will they change section 230? Don’t really know, haven’t thought it through enough yet.


      • I responded in detail to your two points. Instead of responding to that for a continued exchange of views you are drifting off into other thoughts on your mind in a similar manner to Steve. Watcing amazing videos and listening to two hour podcasts instead of reading and thinking is not conducive to coherent analysis and even paralyses simple debate. I am still open to debate and reading links with information but certainly won’t be following you down the podcasts rabbit hole. I watched the Rudy video because he is an important figure, not as a source of “credible” information and explained why he isn’t. Hopefully larger sections of the population will become able to participate in written debates rather than be “audiences”.


  4. Just listened to a great podcast from Megyn Kelly, Tech Censorship And Independent Media, with Glenn Greenwald and the CEOs of Parler and Substack (2 hrs). She begins with her own analysis, then interviews John Matze, Parler CEO, then the CEO of substack, Chris Best and finally Glenn Greenwald. I found out a lot about Parler (not setup to be a right wing feed). At the end, Glenn Greenwald gives his opinion that the current craziness is a vengeful outpouring, built up since 2016, of those forces who saw their rightful ownership of the Presidency snatched away from them. Am I asking you to listen to a podcast that goes for a whole 2 hours? Yes.

    reposting link here:


  5. The growing disparity of incomes dates back to the Reagan Revolution
    Lots of people think that Mueller was based on a big lie but “The Special Counsel indicted 34 people—seven U.S. nationals, 26 Russian nationals, and one Dutch national—and three Russian organizations. Two additional individuals were charged as a result of referrals to other FBI offices.[441]
    Charges were filed against Trump campaign members George Papadopoulos, Paul Manafort, Rick Gates, Michael Flynn, and Michael Cohen. Charges were also filed against bank account seller Richard Pinedo,[442] and lawyer Alex van der Zwaan as well as Paul Manafort associate Konstantin Kilimnik. Also indicted were Russia-based Internet Research Agency and related organizations and individuals directed by Yevgeny Prigozhin, and a group of Russian hackers referred to as Viktor Netyksho, ….”
    Lots of people think that Obama initiated TARP but
    “The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase toxic assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was passed by Congress and signed into law by President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008.”
    Lots of people think that Trump is the jobs president but
    Lots of people think that the first Trump impeachment was a big lie but the undisputed facts were that he threatened to withhold military aid from Ukraine unless the Ukrainian president agreed to dig up dirt on Biden. Using your elected position to advantage your domestic political fortunes like this is best described as Treason rather than a big lie.


    • Actually the National Association of Manufacturers and others were among the earliest to claim “incitement to armed insurrection” even before that beame the “unanimous consent” of the media and “real America, corporate America”.

      The gloating about having and enforcing a near monopoly on corporate funding and support and organizing a purge of boardrooms etc this from Democrats and pseudoleft is somewhat premature. It confirms them as the main representatives of a minority ruling class now widely despised in the USA.

      It certainly won’t convince anybody that disputes the legitimacy of the Biden administration that all is well.

      The Trumpists declared open war on their opponents in the GOP and told them all to pick a side and choose wisely.

      Some are reluctant to do that, since obviously the split in their party will result in Democrats winning many seats currently held by Republicans and consolidate the Democrats as essentially a one party regime. Corporate America is spelling out to them that they have no choice.

      I don’t think they ever did have much choice. Most are going to fight Trump including a lot who pretended to support him.

      But I doubt that they are very good at it. Money makes a huge difference. But at the primaries in two years time and enthusiastic base that can actually mobilize people to get out the vote by personal connections will matter a lot more.

      So everything happening supports my analysis that the USA is now stuck with a large mass based right wing party that will have both a substantial Parliamentary representation and a militant extra-Parliamentary movement facing a weak, ineffectual and corrupt regime that attempts to rule by active suppression of opposing views.

      My guess is that the Democrat establishment will be strengthened against the pseudoleft wing of the Democrats both by cooption and by an influx from the losing side of the war in the GOP.

      When the pseudoleft peels away from the Democrats again it will remain thoroughly discredited by its basic hostility to working people and to democracy.

      I still see no signs of a revolutionay democratic left. But I cannot imagine that the current bewilderment will not grow into disgust, anger and organization among people who do support democracy and do oppose both the corporate liberals and their right wing opposition.

      Meanwhile until that fully develops, Trumps right wing mass party will be the main opposition in the USA with a government engaged in ineffectual suppression rather than having a program that could attract mass support.


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  7. hi arthur,
    I thought you made some good points in response to the Rudy Giuliani video about the Capitol Building riot. Part of my reason for delaying is fog of war. What happened will emerge more clearly over time as rioters are charged and it goes through the Court. Their backgrounds and political affiliations will be noted.

    But the logical points you make are not the same as evidence. From your knowledge of Trump supporters and what happens at demonstrations you make inferences that some of them (the evidence of “antifa” chanting when someone was trying to break a window would indicate a minority) would have wanted a violent protest. I agree. It’s also true that for some unknown reason Trump didn’t take sufficient measures to stop that happening, since he knows it would be bad for his cause. That part I can’t figure out but it’s not my problem. Everyone makes mistakes.

    Also as an experienced demonstrator you are aware of provocateurs so in the midst of the valid points you do make I think there is also a mistake when you say, “That the rioters were plants from antifa. No evidence for that whatever.” Whether or not antifa strictly speaking, there is evidence emerging now that anti Trump people were there playing the role of provocateurs. What percentage of those provocateurs played a leading role in initiating the violence? Fog of war, I don’t know. Was Giuliani misleading? Yes, but in a sense he was technically correct, given that he dissociates those who used violence as not wanted by the Trump team.

    Here’s the evidence I refer to:

    long twitter thread, I refer to items 6,7,8,9,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23

    Just a few half baked thoughts from my rabbit hole 😉


    • Credible eyewitness account from Jan 6:I saw provocateurs at the Capital riot on Jan 6
      Summary: Police acted very strangely tear gassing a crowd who supported them; well organised provocateurs (political persuasion not known) led the attack.

      This account seems to me to be consistent with Giuliani’s.


      • Link broken. Always just paste URL on a separate line. Don’t try to use markup.

        Without waiting for the link:

        Well organised provocateurs is entirely consistent with far right fringe groups whos political persuasion is well known. Giulani claiming they were antifa is entirely consistent with Giuliani.


    • Yes, there’s “fog of war”. But it was a public event with large numbers of participants. Pipe bombs at the RNC and DNC offices could be from anybody but there is no way that either the large crowd that marched from Trump rally to protest militantly at the Capitol or the much smaller groups that broke through police lines or the others that followed them in can plausibly be blamed on provocateurs hostile to the Trump supporters (as opposed to far right fringes hoping to recruit from them).

      Presence of a few nutters is not evidence.

      I did read the whole twitter thread and also downloaded the FBI affidavit for arrest warrant on one of the nutter provocateurs.

      Did not watch the video linked in that affidavit as it required registration:

      But read some of the comments about it.

      I don’t think spending the time on this “fog of war” stuff was worthwhile. Unravelling the details cannot alter the obvious.

      It doesns’t require need unravelling details to answer your question:

      “It’s also true that for some unknown reason Trump didn’t take sufficient measures to stop that happening, since he knows it would be bad for his cause. That part I can’t figure out but it’s not my problem. Everyone makes mistakes.”

      1. Trump had no reason to expect that it would be POSSIBLE for the crowd he asked to march on the Capitol to break in.

      2. He did want them fired up and angry yelling and threatening and he did not want to denounce his supporters who did just what he asked for having also gone in and done that inside the building after the police lines collapsed, let alone denouncing them for going in and staying within the red ropes.

      3. I wouldn’t call it a mistake to not consider the possibility that the police would be overwhelmed. Those responsible (both the Democrats that planned it and the far right fringe that did it) may have thought it was a smart move but there is no reason Trump or his advisors should have expected it. The Capitol Police are under a board that was chaired by Sergeant-at-arms of the House who worked under, and was then sacked by, Speaker of the House, Pelosi. Presumably investigations are underway as to why somebody in Whitehouse was not informed by somebody in DoD or FBI that Capitol police had refused offers of reinforcements based on intelligence about open planning for riots and/or why they did not pass it on to Trump campaign. But nobody serious would be investigating whether it really was “antifa”.

      4. If Trump’s rally organisers had wanted to avoid the possibility of a very rowdy demonstration outside the Capitol with some people making lots of trouble they would have deployed lots of marshals. They have plenty of experience. They plainly did want a rowdy and militant demonstration by people fired up and angry. (“Who among us has not…”). Whether that would be bad for his cause is a matter of opinion, but I don’t see anything in the situation or Trump’s attitudes that would make me assume he would see it as bad for his cause.

      5. Actually breaking in would obviously be bad for his cause as the “party of law and order”. He does seem to have made the mistake of not reacting fast enough once that happened.

      6. Merely telling his supporters to “go home in peace” was an inadequate response to what was actually occurring at the time he said it. How much he knew by then is unclear. His later statements were along the same lines as Pence but came too late.

      7. The media and Democrat narrative about Trump inciting an armed insurrection to overturn the elections by storming the Capitol is so utterly bizarre that’s I still haven’t figured out what they expect or intend. I’m not surprised it took Trump some time to start responding to it. Like WTF?

      8. I doubt that a smoother and quicker response would make much difference. I don’t see the raving going down well among his supporters or helping his opponents in the GOP much. He had already declared open war on them first.

      9. Some polls taken immediately afterwards indicate 18% of Republicans and 3% of Democrats supported the protest at the Capitol.

      10. The 80% of Republicans who (emphatically) did not support it are likely to find Trump’s belated denunciation of the violence in the same terms as Pence quite sufficient and not be at all sympathetic to GOP representatives that join Democrats in pretending Trump incited an armed insurrection to overturn election results.

      11. Current Rasmussen poll for 15 Jan still has Trump on 48% approval v 52% disapproval among likely voters.

      Oddly same day and same source (polled 12-14 Jan) has 50% supporting removal from office!

      I don’t think the fog will clear for a while.


      • Link was well worth reading. Does seem a credible account. I would think that because it is entirely consistent with what I said about far right fringe groups that were known to have been OPENLY PLANNING a riot that the Capitol Police refused to accept offers of reinforcements for from both DoD (National Guard) and FBI. Also describes natural reaction of some in the main crowd as hostile to police attacks on them, supportive of stronger protest against Capitol and confused about what’s going on and orders to not retreat etc.

        Trump has plenty of supporters among law enforcement. I would expect that narrative to spread widely and be combined with arrests of far right militia elements. If that ever gets combined with proving who prevented Capitol police from functioning and why (which would be much harder) it would be dynamite regardless of the success of media suppression.

        Certainly most Trump supporters will accept that account. I doubt that many will buy Giuliani’s or that he will persist with it.

        Meanwhile we just have my original description of a Reichstagbrand Season 2, the comedy version (not even an actual fire and banning twittering instead of locking up the opposition).


  8. Predictions: Trump is gone. He has zero corporate support (maybe my pillow guy will hang around). His personal finances are a mess, banks who would roll over debt will now want payment. Clearly he owes back taxes he was given a large tax write off when the Casinos went under but he emerged still owning part of the Casinos. My understanding is that he could emerge from bankruptcy with part of the Casinos or the tax write off but not both. Plus there are lots of other legal troubles ahead. Event organisers like the PGA will no longer hold events at his courses.
    Trump will not want to lead his rump of the party, no money and a smaller base a guaranteed loser, theres no upside for him there unless as Michael Cohen argues he will just use it as a money spinner. Collect money from his base and pay himself for the “expenses”. Speaking of expenses what are the odds that he will stiff Giuliani for his $20K per day fee?
    The Republicans will have to re invent themselves for too long they have stepped to the right. They have embraced every stupid idea that appears on FOX. From Xenophobia to collecting more tax by cutting tax. It shouldnt be to hard for the party of free market capitalism to reinvent themselves in the country of free market capitalism. Purge a few lunatics and start again.
    The Democrats have an easy run and I expect Joe to be a popular president. Stimulate the economy with $2 trillion send everyone a $2000 cheque and he is half way there. Do some sensible stuff about the pandemic like speeding up the vaccine roll out and for the rest he just has to be a “normal” president. Historically both the employment rate and the stock market do better under Democrat presidents go figure.


    • Prediction. Pseudoleftists are stupid enough to imagine that bankrupting Trump will enable GOP to “purge a few lunatics and start again”. After all they are wildly enthusiastic about censorship and went all the way about “the Russia thing”, so why not?


      • Your post makes no sense. Trump wont go bankrupt because us pseudos imagine it. Trump will go bankrupt because 1 he will probably lose his fight with the IRS over his taxes. 2 He will go bankrupt because he runs the Trump organisation on debt and the debt seems to be catching up with him. 3 He needs according to his former fixer an income steam and with the loss of customers to his hotels and golf courses that income stream is drying up. Plus he has law suits with the Manhattan District attorney, the New York State AG, the Maryland AG, the Washington DC AG, Jean Carroll’s case against him for rape, Summer Zervos’ case for deformation and Mary Trump’s case for fraud.
        Russia did interfere with the 2016 election the US government held an inquiry into it and indicted 34 people.
        As to censorship well Im totally in favor of free speech but free speech does not exist. We live in a society where the tools of mass communication are in private hands and the owners have the total right to allow or disallow people to use those tools plus there are laws that restrict free speech such as the deformation and slander laws. Free speech has never existed theres always a struggle over it. You get those Republican loons speaking on national TV only to say that they are being censored. FFS your on national TV its the definition of not being censored.
        Finally the GOP does have to exit a few loons, they have congress people who believe in Q.
        They had a state representative who filmed himself storming the Capitol building.
        Fuck they stood Sara Palin for vice president and couldnt stop Trump wrecking their party.
        For years they have presented nonsense as policy drawn to the right by the tea party, Fox news, Q and the NRA always with the mantra that government is bad, government is the problem, only clinging to office because the electoral system is undemocratic as the founding fathers meant it to be. (founding fathers representing slave holders)


      • Thanks for sharing what runs through your head as you watch the media insisting that Trump incited an armed insurrection to overturn the US elections. No doubt many people do think (or block themselves from thinking) that way. I have no more idea how to respond to it than Bill Maher does to Trumpists.

        The Bill Maher video was also interesting. I watched the whole 5′ or so because that was reasonably short, despite the startup being just the usual sneering at deplorables to canned laughter. I guess he had to start that way to confirm to his audience that he was still one of them despite going on to make a serious point about the fact that nearly half the US voters are not going to just go away and the Democrats aren’t doing anything for them any more than Trump was.

        BTW here’s another Trumpist State representative who responded “I’ll fight” to Trump’s declaration of open war on his opponents in the GOP and spoke at Trump’s rally on Jan 6:


  9. Small point you have now repeatedly got the concept of canned laughter wrong. Is this intentional or are you unaware that Maher has live audience in that clip?
    Clearly Trump has been trying to over turn the election result by initiating over 60 legal actions, like pressuring Republican election officials to “find” more votes, like inviting Republican state officials to the White house, by encouraging states not to certify the results and by pressuring Pence to reject the electoral college votes that favored Biden.
    He made one last attempt to over turn the results in that he encouraged a mob lead by far right militias like the Oath Keepers and groups like the proud boys to go to the Capitol and pressure legislators to reject the electoral college vote. When ever someone starts a beer hall putsch you dont know how it will end you just do your best and roll the dice.
    Trump did his best, it was widely known that the militia groups intended to storm the building, last year they had a practice run in Michigan.
    In the lead up to Jan 6
    “Discussions on multiple sites talked very graphically and explicitly about “war”, physically taking charge at the event, and killing politicians, including a request for opinions about which politician should be hung first (with a GIF of a noose).”
    When the crowd went in the chant was “Hang Mike Pence”
    So it was fairly obvious what the ultras were going to attempt, the question is did Trump incite.
    Well at the rally Trump said to the crowd that they should “fight like hell” Giuliani said that the crowd should engage in “trial by combat” and Donald Jr addressed the members of Congress and said “we are coming for you”
    It would be difficult to argue that this is not incitement but people do they say that it was just hyperbole or that the real nasties were Antifa infiltrators.
    In the end its a judgment call.
    My call is that Jan 6 was the culmination of a series of attempts to over throw an election on the basis that it was rigged. People can on the basis of zero evidence agree that it was rigged or people can agree that Trump is desperately attempting to cling to power. So desperate that he would tacitly rely on the efforts of fascistic elements within American society.


    • 1. Unaware (and unconvinced). It sounded like canned laughter and I did not notice anything in the clip that suggested live audience.
      2. Trump has initiated legal actions which have reached SCOTUS with expedited relief refused so no hearings yet. Opponents seem very upset about going to court with a dispute.
      3. It is not possible for anyone to actually believe that a mob COULD have overturned the Electoral College vote. The unanimous chanting about this is actually like the “Russia thing” and adequately explains why so many people disgusted by deranged ranting from Trump’s opponents did vote for him despite the lack of much in the way of positive reasons to do so.
      4. If it wasn’t you I would assume you were writing a parody. It was certainly known to Capitol Police chiefs and they let it happen. It is obvious who stood to gain.
      5. Yes, and DoD and FBI gave warnings to Capitol police about the rantings from the very small numbers who “overwhelmed” a force of more than 2000 well armed police who simply weren’t there.
      6. The crowd of tens of thousands didn’t go in. Small numbers went in and mainly wandered around taking selfies. Somebody is supposed to have chanted “Hang Mike Pence”.
      7. It was obvious to Capitol Police that ultras would try something. It is equally obvious that somebody in command decided to let them. Nancy Pelosi has sacked the commanders who were responsible to her, not to Trump. Your conclusion from the media is that Trump incited it.
      8. Trump declared open war on the GOP at the rally and incited the very large crowd (hundreds of thousands) to fight like hell to primary his opponents, which they will do. Hours of video are available.
      9. Guiliani demanded an audit of voting machines and ballots and oddly said that if they had nothing to hide they would agree to that as “trial by combat”.
      10. Donald Jr did say “we are coming for you” and they are. They will get primaried.
      11. It is not a judgment call either about whether it was antifa (as claimed by Guliani) or by Trump. It is quite plain who is pretending there is a Reichstag Fire, and blaming it on their opposition, without even bothering to actually have a burnt building. Its comedy not tragedy since instead of locking up their opponents they are closing their twitter accounts.
      12. Your “call” is deranged. Take a deep breath. There will eventually be hearings as to whether the election was rigged. The hysteria against that is the main thing that is convincing so many millions of people that it actually was rigged. Pretending that demanding those hearings and “inciting” protests was LITERALLY an “armed insurrection to overturn the elections” is EXACTLY what the Democrat majority in the House of Representatives just did (together with two handfuls of Republicans about to get primariried). Such levels of derangement have not been seen from Trump but are in full view from aspirational fascists who think they can get force millions of people to shut up by screaming “insurrection” and calling in the troops.
      13. Like most of the clowns cheering on a shutdown of political opposition to the US government your support for this aspirational fascism is not accompanied by the actual willingness to kill people that would make it something other than laughable.


  10. Bill Maher returned to live audience performances Sept 2020

    I think that you make a good point about the prime suspect in any crime being the person with the most to gain.
    You deflect the words at the rally as being in reference to elections 2 years away but what I think is most telling is the holding of the march. He must have had security briefings, he must have been told that para militaries were intending to storm the building he must have known about Michigan. He could have said thankyou for coming to the White House today but we are not marching to the Capitol.
    I will look up stuff about who was responsible for the lax security and see if I can find a Democrat conspiracy that Trump walked into. I agree that the obvious is not always the answer.


    • 1. Wow. I just sort of assumed that Bill Maher’s audience would have died by now. My bad.
      2. Thanks.
      3. If there were anything incriminating in the videotape of the rally it would have been all over the media. Forget it. If you cannot forget it then go comb through it at C-span and see if you can find something that thousands of heroic counter insurgency warriors failed to notice.
      4. How would anybody be able to persuade Trump’s rally organizers that it was POSSIBLE for well known keboard warriors proclaiming their plans on the internet to get past whatever preparations the Capitol Police thought necessary? The only way it has been possible to “persuade” large numbers of media consumers is by first rotting their minds with breathless Trump Derangement System about whether he would “refuse to leave office” and simultaneously shutting down replies to a PATENTLY ABSURD story. Trump’s rally was intended to march on the Capitol and it did so.
      5. You will easily find who was in charge of Capitol police and who immediately sacked them. The full story will take a while to dig out and cannot possibly be established by browsing. You already know who stood to gain. The rest is a matter of detail and evidence that will necessarily take time and remain contested with elaborate explanations of implausible other explanations from official inquiries.
      6. Your video link shows more than one person in the crowd (possibly up to a dozen) outside the building chanting “Hang Mike Pence” as people who had got in were leaving with police at the door supervising their exit. Rather more impressive evidence would be available about much larger numbers preferring to behead the President rather than hang his Vice President. It has as much to do with an “insurrection to overturn the elections” as sticking pins into voodoo dolls (which courts have ruled does not constitute attempted murder even in countries where belief in the potential efficacy of such an “attempt” is widespread).
      7. BTW here’s Giuliani on “trial by combat”:

      If you locate the longer version at C-span just after to confirm that he must REALLY have been inciting violence if only a bit more had been included, please link to the timestamp.


  11. Merkel makes stand in favor of free speech


  12. Where this beer belly putsch failed is in the fact that while some police may have sympathised with the rioters they didnt join in. This clearly irritated some of the rioter who spoke to the police in an attempt to get them to change sides. In any right wing coup it seems essential that the police or army go over. Trump didnt call the rioters to heal until it had clearly failed. (this is a huge sign of complicity)
    Democrats and Republicans may well have seen the riot as a way of discrediting Trump but just like the storming of the Michigan capitol building was a dry run so was this and the only thing that saved Mike Pence from a neck tie was that the police may have wavered but they didnt join in. Ultra right movements are more popular in the army and more again in the police than they are in the general population.
    The far right seem to be splintered into many groups but just as the KKK would never have anything to do with the US Nazi party they eventually saw that they were of like mind and started to cooperate.
    I think that Biden’s call for unity is a big mistake the neo fascists’ are a snake that should be trodden on.


    • > Trump didnt call the rioters to heal until it had clearly failed. (this is a huge sign of complicity)

      What are you smoking, Steve? You say “it had clearly failed”. What had clearly failed? Trump’s attempt to seize power by insurrection? The rioters could have hanged Pence, kidnapped all the Democrats, even killed all the Democrats and they would be no where near seizing state power of the USA. The possibility of that occurring (seizing State power) was ZERO. If you really believe that Trump doesn’t understand that then IMHO you are seriously deluded.

      > Biden’s call for unity is a big mistake the neo fascists’ are a snake that should be trodden on

      Are you also believing that Biden believes in his call for unity? Or are you just saying he should of told a different lie? (that 70 million + Americans follow a neo fascist). He did keep repeating that lie.


      • Understanding Steve might help to understand the delusional mentality that it is now quite widespread. My guess is that he cannot actually believe there was ANY POSSIBILITY that Trump was mounting a “putsch” that failed. But like others he has to bury that thought and not consciously think about it because of the resulting cognitive dissonance from loyalty to his tribe and the unavoidable conclusion that they are engaged in a currently more successful anti-democratic maneuver.

        Steve certainly IS “seriously deluded”. But it is a “mainstream” form of delusion. People’s religious beliefs are manifestly delusional but that cannot be dealt with as a mental health issue when they are “mainstream”. Sames goes for political delusions. They are far from uncommon.


  13. On Jan 17th Steve wrote:
    > As to censorship well Im totally in favor of free speech but free speech does not exist

    Given your lack of criticism of Trump’s free speech being shut down. Parler being deplatformed by Big Tech and the making up of lists of Trump supporters to be punished in some way I am having some difficulty in believing that you are “totally in favor of free speech”. Being in favour of free speech means attacking those who are restricting it and we have a new ruling class in the USA (Dems, Big Tech, Wall Street, Intelligence services) who have initiated further free speech restrictions in view of an alleged domestic terror threat. I haven’t heard you defending free speech at all, rather what I’m hearing is that you believe that the domestic terror threat is real and by implication, therefore, the above restrictions of free speech are justified.


  14. What I was trying to point out is that free speech under capitalism doesnt exist. Take Twitter Im fully in favour of Tangerine Mussolini getting his Twitter account back but I know that Twitter being a private company has the total right to de platform anyone they want. They can draw up any rules that they want and interpret them any way they want. I spoke to my HR department today and they told me that I run the risk of losing my job for a facebook account that I run because it critisises the government and I work for the government. So Tangerine M lost his twitter account, is he now deprived of free speech? Hell no if he held a press conference every network would telecast it.
    He is pondering buying his own network or having a programme on a highly rated cable network like Fox or OAN. But despite his claim to victimhood I still agree that he should get his twitter account back on the basis that I support free speech even for a turd like Trump.


  15. Congresswoman Rashida Tlaib (MI-13) led nine of her colleagues in sending a letter to Congressional leadership, including Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, urging that national security powers not be expanded in light of the attack on the U.S. Capitol that occurred two weeks ago, as such measures often lead to the erosion of Americans’ civil liberties.
    Press release
    Full text of letter

    Click to access NationalSecurityOpp.pdf


    • Interesting development.I had the impression AOC was heading the other way. Seems to me a very large part of the current centrist Democrat hysteria is aimed at shouting louder than this pseudoleft wing to outflank them by pandering to their supporters. So it is very good that they are not getting sucked in. Would be better if they also started denouncing the fantasies about incirement to insurrection and opposing censorship but it is probably quite significant that their statement does not actually join in the near compulsory endorsement of that stuff but more accurately just describes it as far right violence.


    • It is understandable that Snowdon and Greenwald might clutch at such speculation but studying the tea leaves of Tucker Carson is not much help in understanding a complex situation that is still unfolding. Lots of distracting rumurs and theories inevitable in a situation that is hard to understand.


  16. Was Trump complicit in the putsch? Well he must have known that his supporters would try to take the Capitol building. He knows that his supporters had done exactly that in Michigan. What he didnt know was whether the Capitol police could be won over. Clearly a lot of rioters thought that they could be turned and a putsch hangs on the idea that the foot soldiers of the old regimen will at least stand aside.
    The argy barge starts at 1.10 with a struggle on steps. Trump says nothing
    1.40 The mayor orders a city wide curfew. Trump says nothing
    2.15 The west side of Capitol building is breached Trump says nothing
    2.22 Pence is escorted from the building
    2.24 Trump tweets criticism of Pence
    2.38 Trump tweets “stay peaceful”
    3.13 Trump tweets “remain peaceful”
    4.17 Trump urges supporters to go home
    So lets be clear about my delusional status The violence starts at 1.10 and it takes Trump over 3 hours to urge his supporters to go home. In that 3 hours the Capitol building has been over run a woman has been shot dead and an officer has been beaten so bad that he dies.
    We dont know what goes through Trumps head but we do know that he has close advisors urging him to declare martial law but to do that you would probably need a level of chaos that could only happen if the Capitol riots had gone better for the rioters. If the Capitol police had put up less resistance then those who had the foresight to bring zip tie hand cuffs might have snared some prisoners and who ever erected the gallows outside might have had some business and martial law could have been proclaimed to save the country.
    But on the other hand the whole thing was orchestrated by Nancy and Mitch in an effort to make Trump look bad and my delusional state prevents me from seeing this reality. That could be true just like my delusional state prevented me from declaring the election rigged on the flimsy basis that there was zero evidence.


    • As described in Bill’s link to article by witness and confirmed in FBI affidavit there were organized groups that intended to organize a break-in:

      Affidavit for Proud Boys warrant

      Others joined in that, as one would expect

      Trump and pretty well everybody else in US politics would either have been present at the joint session of Congress or watching it on TV as the “argy bargy” with police started and crowd broke through outer perimeter.

      Congress continued to meet while there were clashes between police and protestors outside.

      The (purely posturing) dispute of the first of the battleground States, Arizona, was interrupted when rioters actually broke into the building.

      It is was certainly forseeable that there could be clashes between police and protestors outside the Capitol. Trump’s rally organisers took no precautions against that and it is not unreasonable to assume that Trump was pleased by it. He wanted an angry crowd denouncing a fraudulent election and he got one.

      Trump’s tweeters were still relayig his bizarre complaints about Pence not having unilaterally refused to accept the Arizona certified Electoral College votes instead of following the legislated procedures for each House to vote separately when Pence was taken into protective custody by his Secret Service escort.

      It was always utterly clear that the posturing for Congress to overturn the results was not capable of overturning them since both Houses would have to separately agree to reject the votes of any State and Democrats had a clear majority in the House of Representatives.

      Anyone who actually knows what they are talking about and claims the riot could have been intended to intimidate Congress into overturning the results is not “delusional” but unambiguously and deliberately lying. The actual groups that organised the rioters would have had wild fantasies they would be able to recruit more widely rather than getting crushed but so far the charges have been for illegal entry rather than any “insurrection” to overthrow the US government by storming the Capitol (to which the obvious defense would be “insanity”).

      Trump’s rally was certainly aimed at mobilizing opposition to his GOP opponents and pressuring them to join in his posturing (as most of them did in the House and very few did in the Senate). The pressure and quite overt “intimidation” was that they would be primaried if they did not

      It is utterly clear that the only people who expected the Capitol building to be entered were those who arranged for the police to be overwhelmed. (Not necessarily Nancy Pelosi herself but obviously people in those circles).

      There is zero evidence that Trump was any more expecting it than the members of both Houses were when they were interrupted.

      CONFIRMATION that he wasn’t is provided by his poorly worded initial tweets. He wasn’t going to denounce his supporters for a rowdy protest that he had encouraged. He did not want them involved in the riot and breakin and he did not want to be seen as “calling his dogs to heel” since they weren’t his dogs. So he told that his supporters that had marched on the Capitol from the rally at his request that he loved them, that they should respect the Capitol police and go home in peace.

      That was inadequate and damaging for Trump given what had actually occurred and is evidence that he had not yet grasped what had occurred. But in fact it was only 15′ or so after the first AP reports of the building having been breached when it was still not clear what was happening.

      It took him far too long to denounce what had actually occurred in the same terms that Pence did. Twitter duly censored that to give the story about Trump inciting an insurrection more time to take hold. It HAS taken hold among Democrat partisans, despite being PREPOSTEROUS which shows how utterly delusional they are.

      Here’s the AP timeline:

      2:47 p.m. After egging on protests, President Donald Trump tweeted to his supporters to “stay peaceful” as they violently clash with law enforcement and breached the Capitol building.

      “Please support our Capitol Police and Law Enforcement,” Trump tweeted, as tear gas was deployed in the locked-down Capitol. “They are truly on the side of our Country. Stay peaceful!”

      Trump at a rally earlier Wednesday encouraged his supporters to head to the Capitol. “We’re going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women, and we’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them,” Trump said. ___

      2:45 p.m. Lawmakers are being evacuated from the U.S. Capitol after protesters breached security and entered the building. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and other senators were led out, escorted by staff and police on Wednesday afternoon. Members of the House were also being evacuated. Both chambers had been debating the certification of Joe Biden’s victory in the Electoral College. The skirmishes came shortly after President Donald Trump addressed thousands of his supporters, riling up the crowd with his baseless claims of election fraud. Protesters could be seen marching through the Capitol’s stately Statuary Hall shouting and waving Trump banners and American flags. Some House lawmakers tweeted they were sheltering in place in their offices. ___

      2:40 p.m. The mayor of Washington, D.C., has ordered a curfew in the nation’s capital beginning at 6 p.m. Wednesday after protestors seeking to overturn the election results stormed the U.S. Capitol building. Mayor Muriel Bowser issued the order as protestors supporting President Donald Trump breached the Capitol, where lawmakers were meeting to formally count the electors that will make Joe Biden president on Jan. 20. The order extends through 6 a.m. Thursday. The skirmishes came shortly after Trump addressed thousands of his supporters, riling up the crowd with his baseless claims of election fraud. ___

      2:30 p.m. Protesting supporters of President Donald Trump have breached the U.S. Capitol. There was confusion in the House chamber as the Capitol doors were locked and the debate over the electoral count was suspended. A representative from the Capitol police spoke from a lectern on the dais and told lawmakers to remain calm, and that more information would be available soon. House Rules Committee Chairman James McGovern of Massachusetts told the crowd that the House expected to go back into session soon. Meanwhile, members milled around the floor and looked at their phones. Reporters and others outside the chamber were told to go their seats inside and not leave. The skirmishes came just shortly after Trump addressed thousands of his supporters, riling up the crowd with his baseless claims of election fraud. ___

      2:20 p.m. The Senate has recessed its debate over an objection to the results of the Electoral College after protesters forced police to lock down the building. Reporters were told to stay in the Senate’s press gallery as the doors were locked. Protesters tore down metal barricades at the bottom of the Capitol’s steps and were met by officers in riot gear. Some tried to push past the officers who held shields and officers could be seen firing pepper spray into the crowd to keep them back. The skirmishes came just shortly after President Donald Trump addressed thousands of his supporters, riling up the crowd with his baseless claims of election fraud. ___

      2:20 p.m. Texas Sen. Ted Cruz says American “democracy is in crisis” with polls showing that large numbers of voters “believe the election that just occurred was rigged.” Cruz, a Republican, objected to the certification of election results in Arizona, saying the Senate has a responsibility to acknowledge the profound threat posed by widespread disbelief in the legitimacy of the election. He called for the creation of a commission to conduct a 10-day “emergency audit” to investigate any irregularities, citing a similar commission created after the 1876 presidential election. Cruz urged lawmakers not to “take the easy path, but instead act together″ and create a “credible and fair tribunal. Consider the claims, consider the facts, consider the evidence and make a conclusive determination whether and to what extent this election complied with the Constitution.’’ ___

      1:55 p.m. The U.S. Capitol Police are evacuating some congressional office buildings due to “police activity” as thousands gather outside the Capitol to protest the electoral vote. Police told congressional staff members they should evacuate the Cannon House Office Building and the building that houses the Library of Congress. It wasn’t immediately clear what specifically sparked the evacuation. A police spokeswoman did not immediately respond to calls and emails seeking comment. Thousands of people have descended on the U.S. Capitol as Congress is expected to vote to affirm Joe Biden’s 2020 presidential win. Videos posted online showed protesters fighting with U.S. Capitol Police officers as police fired pepper spray to keep them back.

      By Associated Press | January 6, 2021 at 8:57 PM EST – Updated January 6 at 11:20 PM


  17. Essentially Steve’s fantasy about martial law is IDENTICAL to Qanon:

    “On encrypted message boards and digital apps, followers labeled Jan. 19 as “national popcorn day” in the hopes that they would have a front-row seat to the mass arrests of Antifa campaigners and, possibly, Trump imposing martial law in an effort to turn the election.”

    It is fascinating that the liberal fantasies that Qanon, Proud Boys etc represented “Trump’s base” has finally resulted in them actively promoting the most bizarrely insane of their rantings.


    Funny how Im delusional but Trump has advisers that are backing my delusion. You can be delusional about an attack from Mars but when the Martians turn up it is no longer delusional.
    Funny too how Trump makes innocuous tweets to his followers but when he asks them to go home he goes on TV. How many outside the building were watching TV at the time?


  19. Yep, the language as well as the thought process is typical of conspiracy theorists. “Funny how…” it all fits together in their heads.

    This stuff has now moved from the lunatic fringe to the mainstream liberals. They really are committed now that everyone must unite for healing by declaring their faith that an armed insurrection to overthrow the US government has just been suppressed.

    Whether they believe it themselves is only marginally relevant. The political degeneration is complete and goes far beyond absurdities promoted by Trump (as opposed to Qanon and other fantasists whose nuttiness was once paraded to pretend it came from Trump and is now being echoed literally word for word by liberals as though it actually happened).

    I doubt that it will eventually be “revealed” that Trump himself was in fact a Martian but if it was, the believers will believe.


  20. I guess the issue is, was this an attempt to overthrow the government and did Trump assist this attempt. Any definitive judgement on Trump’s role must be put on hold because you would have to know what he was thinking and we just don’t know.
    So first lets look at was this a serious attempt? The riot was attended by groups like the 3%ers, the Oath Keepers, the Proud Boys, QAnon, NSC-131 and the Boogaloo Bois. These groups definitely have the idea that they were there to change the government. I think that they would agree that one spark can start a prairie fire.
    Now to you and me it is absurd that a couple of hundred well coordinated nutcases could overturn the government but this is not the way they see it. These groups think that they sit on a powder keg of possibilities. This is the best shot at achieving their dreams that they have ever had. Anyone who wants to violently overthrow society must also accept that in building towards success failure must be integrated into the process. The Irish had the Easter uprising, the Nazi’s had the beer hall putsch the Bolsheviks had 1905.
    Now to Trump well he’s difficult to pin down as he dog whistles a lot, and puts out contradictory information and all Presidents are alert to the plausible deniability strategy.
    He did encourage Michigan to rise up. What does that mean? To the ultras it meant storm the Michigan Capitol building and plan to kidnap and kill the Governor of Michigan.
    In December he tweeted that people should come on Jan 6 because it will be wild. What does wild mean in this context? On the day he was a firebrand but of course he meant no harm that was all rhetoric about primaries 2 years away. really?
    So after the rally what did the most powerful man in the world do? He said that he was going to the Capitol building but then turned around and went into the White House reportedly to watch the fun unfold on TV and to ignore the many attempts to contact him as people desperately wanted the leader of this murderous mob to call them off or to order a higher level of security to be mobilised.
    But for hours he did nothing other than watch TV and tweet remain peaceful.
    Just a word since we opened up on this topic people have questioned what I am smoking and told me that I am delusional. I am prepared to debate and give way to a superior argument or a better interpretation of the facts but just like the election show me the evidence. Scott Adams may be unable to draw any uncomfortable conclusions because he exists in the fog of war but maybe hes just unable to draw any uncomfortable conclusions.


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